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I saw a post that referenced reaching down in a foot of water to push in the clutch to shift. I have seen a few others that seem to think you clutch each shift.

On a sequential trans they are dog boxes and not synchro mesh. You use the clutch to start and stop, but it is not required to shift up or down using the clutch. You catch each shift as the gear is unloaded with a blip of the throttle. It takes about a day to get good at it and then you will like it better than synchro mesh.

Most all high end sand car transmissions are this way. In the sand car they can be "H" pattern or sequential but all sequential are dog boxes. Tim
 

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Dirt bikes don't need a clutch to shift because they are sequential dog boxes. Tim
 

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Here is the OFFICIAL word on it.

"It does not "need" the clutch. It is just like a sport atv or motorcycle manual transmission. If you back of the throttle and unload the transmission it is possible to upshift. This is much more difficult to do when trying to downshift. If timed properly it is possible but not recommended. Just like a sport atv or motorcycle."
 

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Here is the OFFICIAL word on it.

"It does not "need" the clutch. It is just like a sport atv or motorcycle manual transmission. If you back of the throttle and unload the transmission it is possible to upshift. This is much more difficult to do when trying to downshift. If timed properly it is possible but not recommended. Just like a sport atv or motorcycle."
Sounds like what I said........

Even the down shift can be done simply by blipping the throttle and catching the gears before they back lash. If you are experiencing engine braking then it wont down shift.

On my sand car it has become second nature.

This trans will be loved by some and hated by others. Dog box is what most racers prefer for the quick shifts. You can still use the clutch if you want to. Tim
 

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Can you utilize this clutch to make downshifts easier ? I know with both dir and street bikes I can shift uo or down by just the feel of the motor.

But when racing both I definitely needed the clutch for down shifts.
 

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Can you utilize this clutch to make downshifts easier ? I know with both dir and street bikes I can shift uo or down by just the feel of the motor.

But when racing both I definitely needed the clutch for down shifts.
yes. You clearly have the Technique down on the motor cycle. This box will be the same thing. Tim
 

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yes. You clearly have the Technique down on the motor cycle. This box will be the same thing. Tim
yeah, been riding and racing them for many moons... (20 years worth!)

I would almost always upshift in road racing with out using a clutch but it seems like on a dirt bike I always tend to use the clutch shifting both ways.

I actually went to a rekluse for the endurance dirt bike racing... found it was much more user friendly when I am exhausted!

I think I will try one of these with out a rekluse first... Of course, our raced in these things are 4 hours long, so I may add the rekluse pretty quickly. LOL

Thanks for the info.
 

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I've mentioned the Rekluse clutch to everyone that I've talked to that has complained about the manual transmission and they look at me like I'm crazy. After telling them that it won't be necessary to use the foot clutch, they then say that having to move the shift lever to change gears is to difficult. Man, folks have gotten spoiled.
 

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I like the idea of shifting but my only concern is taking my hand off the wheel. It may be easy to overcome but just a concern without driving. Maybe it's no big deal with PS.
 

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I like the idea of shifting but my only concern is taking my hand off the wheel. It may be easy to overcome but just a concern without driving. Maybe it's no big deal with PS.
Really not an issue. These are split second shifts.
 

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How many rzr owners ride with one hand on the wheel and one hand on the shift knob like its a freakin manual. I see it all the time.
I know but that doesn't make it safe. I'm sure I'll get my answer when I drive. I'm sure the thrill of gear control will out weigh the split second of insecurity. Once I get used to it I'm sure it won't be a problem.
 

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Power steering just about eliminates all fears of bump steer and getting your thumbs ripped off in a bad situation. We southern ******** ride with one hand on the wheel, sometimes drive with a knee, and a beer in the other.
Yeah I posted earlier that a PS unit might take away the concern all together. You southern boys have other concerns if your driving like that. Lol
 

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Sounds like what I said........

Even the down shift can be done simply by blipping the throttle and catching the gears before they back lash. If you are experiencing engine braking then it wont down shift.

On my sand car it has become second nature.

This trans will be loved by some and hated by others. Dog box is what most racers prefer for the quick shifts. You can still use the clutch if you want to. Tim
Great to see you on here Tim! Keep the pimp hand strong. MaverickMaxXRS
 

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I know but that doesn't make it safe. I'm sure I'll get my answer when I drive. I'm sure the thrill of gear control will out weigh the split second of insecurity. Once I get used to it I'm sure it won't be a problem.
It's got power steering... It won't be an issue. With no power steering it would be a problem

High HP jeeps and cars and san rails all have Manuel trans and you don't see dudes driving all crazy.

Fire up to finally have a manual sxs with the dog box
 

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I think the manual shifter is going to be a big hit. I've got a sand rail with a cbr 1000 in it. It's the same shift pattern (minus reverse). I love it, way more fun to drive than my rzr. With the Rekluse clutch, it should be pretty much dummy proof. No stalls, easy take off, clutchless shifts, best of all worlds. Man I can't wait to try one out.
 
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